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#268988 - 07/08/03 09:48 PM A really hard day
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Well first I find out that one of my good friends was shot in the back by a cop a few days ago. article is Here. Then if that wasn't bad enough I find another friend of abotu 9 years is in ICU. read about that one here

so I'm in a pretty shitty mood. if anyone else has any more bad news for me just dump it on me now and get it over with.
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#268989 - 07/08/03 09:51 PM Re: A really hard day
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man that sucks big time..some people are crazy, why would u hit someone with your car, you gotta be nuts to do that..
and your friend who was shot..they say they THINK he was reaching for a weapon, you think they could have at least shot him in the leg or something
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#268990 - 07/08/03 09:52 PM Re: A really hard day
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people need to learn to shoot to wound and disable not to kill. mc5 do you lern to shoot to wound or to kill? any other policemen here to explain their training methods?

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#268991 - 07/08/03 10:04 PM Re: A really hard day
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damn dude that so sucks ass. for all they know he could have been reaching to scratch his leg or something. stupid f*ckers. i thought it WAS police procedure to shoot an armed person in the leg if at all possible. then of course theres the fact that he wasnt yet armed. they should f*ckin put the cop in a chair and make him reach for something and shoot him in the chest. see how that f*cker likes it.
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#268992 - 07/08/03 10:09 PM Re: A really hard day
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Damn, I'm sorry and I thought my day was pretty crappy with all that's going on......
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#268993 - 07/09/03 12:11 AM Re: A really hard day
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Sorry to here that. frown It's really frustrating to find out things like that through the grapevine.

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#268994 - 07/09/03 01:18 AM Re: A really hard day
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Sorry to hear about your compadres Graham, hope they come out of it OK!
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#268995 - 07/09/03 04:10 AM Re: A really hard day
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*hugs*
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#268996 - 07/09/03 06:29 AM Re: A really hard day
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I had a buddy that was driving his a friend home, when two cops decided to try to catch him speeding...one gunned him, and then the other pulled out right in front of him. My buddy died on impact, and the cop is trying to sue the family. Too many crooked cops out there.

Very sorry to hear about your friends. *hugs* to you!
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#268997 - 07/09/03 07:05 AM Re: A really hard day
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That's horrible about those kids. I wish your friend in ICU speedy recovery.
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#268998 - 07/09/03 09:59 AM Re: A really hard day
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As an alternative way of looking at things, how many crooked people are there out there? Why we expect cops to be these whiter than white upholders of the law is beyond me. Over here a guy got shot for having an Irish accent and a coffee table leg in a plastic bag.

I used to go out with a girly police person and I know exactly how normal they are.
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#268999 - 07/09/03 10:10 AM Re: A really hard day
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i dont know..i think if you choose to be a cop you shouldnt be crooked, and if you are then dont be a cop. Its not as simple as that, i know, but i think that they have a responsibility..because if the ones that enforce the law are crooked, then what good is the law itself?
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#269000 - 07/10/03 12:56 AM Re: A really hard day
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Originally posted by GabooN:
i dont know..i think if you choose to be a cop you shouldnt be crooked, and if you are then dont be a cop. Its not as simple as that, i know, but i think that they have a responsibility..because if the ones that enforce the law are crooked, then what good is the law itself?
Well, it would be nice if everyone who made a choice made it altruistically. Anyone who becomes a Doctor shouldn't sell drugs. Anyone who becomes a Gyno shouldn't assault women. Anyone who becomes a carer shouldn't abuse the carees. The list goes on and on. Being a Cop means having power and successive studies show that the police force attracts primarily right with believers in an authoritarian regime. Not the type you associate with caring and sharing. Police have power and power attracts the corruptable.
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#269001 - 07/10/03 01:25 AM Re: A really hard day
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Damn, that sucks!! I hope the dude in ICU recovers quickly.
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#269002 - 07/10/03 01:46 AM Re: A really hard day
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Originally posted by Narniacat:
people need to learn to shoot to wound and disable not to kill. mc5 do you lern to shoot to wound or to kill? any other policemen here to explain their training methods?
it has been my understanding, that if cops shoot, they shoot to kill...being that just wounding someone is too much of a legal liability for the officer.

t'is sad imho.

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#269003 - 07/10/03 04:09 AM Re: A really hard day
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Wow, I'm sorry to hear about your friends Nippleplay, It sure does put a different perspective on my view of the police.
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#269004 - 07/10/03 06:56 AM Re: A really hard day
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This discussion reminds me of one I had a while back about a cop shooting to kill but in this case it was the family dog who took the bullet. A family was pulled over and cuffed in a case of mistaken identity, and the teeenaged son kept telling the cop "Our dogs in there, be careful he doesn't run away". The cop opened the the back door of the car, the dog jumped out and he shot it claiming it lunged at him in attack. We came to the conclusion that cops are too wound up for action and fatally overreact because they believe a situation is more dangerous than it is. The cops here are trained to shoot to injure only if a danger is immediately present (like being fired upon). But they still get trigger happy. It's a shame.
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#269005 - 07/10/03 07:23 AM Re: A really hard day
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Originally posted by HappyGirl49:
This discussion reminds me of one I had a while back about a cop shooting to kill but in this case it was the family dog who took the bullet. A family was pulled over and cuffed in a case of mistaken identity, and the teeenaged son kept telling the cop "Our dogs in there, be careful he doesn't run away". The cop opened the the back door of the car, the dog jumped out and he shot it claiming it lunged at him in attack. We came to the conclusion that cops are too wound up for action and fatally overreact because they believe a situation is more dangerous than it is. The cops here are trained to shoot to injure only if a danger is immediately present (like being fired upon). But they still get trigger happy. It's a shame.
I remember that. That was just terrible.
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#269006 - 07/10/03 08:07 AM Re: A really hard day
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Originally posted by GabooN:
i dont know..i think if you choose to be a cop you shouldnt be crooked, and if you are then dont be a cop. Its not as simple as that, i know, but i think that they have a responsibility..because if the ones that enforce the law are crooked, then what good is the law itself?
Who is to say this cop was being crooked though? If they had shot him in the leg, it may have brought him down, but it also would have given him the opportunity to fire back risking the cops life. We say the cop is crooked and how horrible it is simply because it happened to a friend of someone on the boards when no one knows really if the guy deserved it. The story probably isn't even being transferred right because we all know how reliable the media is...

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#269007 - 07/10/03 09:11 AM Re: A really hard day
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Originally posted by AshyBear1983:
Quote:
Originally posted by GabooN:
i dont know..i think if you choose to be a cop you shouldnt be crooked, and if you are then dont be a cop. Its not as simple as that, i know, but i think that they have a responsibility..because if the ones that enforce the law are crooked, then what good is the law itself?
Who is to say this cop was being crooked though? If they had shot him in the leg, it may have brought him down, but it also would have given him the opportunity to fire back risking the cops life. We say the cop is crooked and how horrible it is simply because it happened to a friend of someone on the boards when no one knows really if the guy deserved it. The story probably isn't even being transferred right because we all know how reliable the media is...
oh i agree with you..i was only saying this stuff because someone mentioned crooked cops and how they are just like the rest of us, which i know, but i feel that they have a responsiblity to not 'be like the rest of us' at least while they are on the job.
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#269008 - 07/10/03 10:22 AM Re: A really hard day
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Graham, i am sorry to hear about your friends, it is hard to loose people you are friends with. Frog and I had a friend kill himself a couple of years ago. It was one of the hardest times our group of friends have ever gone through. Be strong brotha, it does get a lil easier with time, but not much.
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#269009 - 07/10/03 10:28 AM Re: A really hard day
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Quote:
Originally posted by GabooN:
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Originally posted by AshyBear1983:
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Originally posted by GabooN:
i dont know..i think if you choose to be a cop you shouldnt be crooked, and if you are then dont be a cop. Its not as simple as that, i know, but i think that they have a responsibility..because if the ones that enforce the law are crooked, then what good is the law itself?
Who is to say this cop was being crooked though? If they had shot him in the leg, it may have brought him down, but it also would have given him the opportunity to fire back risking the cops life. We say the cop is crooked and how horrible it is simply because it happened to a friend of someone on the boards when no one knows really if the guy deserved it. The story probably isn't even being transferred right because we all know how reliable the media is...
oh i agree with you..i was only saying this stuff because someone mentioned crooked cops and how they are just like the rest of us, which i know, but i feel that they have a responsiblity to not 'be like the rest of us' at least while they are on the job.
Yeah I see what you're saying. I know I quoted you and all but I was really talking to everyone. I just hate it when a cop shoots someone and it's automatically a crooked cop. Well it usually is if the victim is a friend of someone the person knows. THen because they are friends with their friend it automatically makes them a good person and the cop a bad one.

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#269010 - 07/10/03 11:18 AM Re: A really hard day
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Sorry Graham.

I think it's pathetic that we need cops in the first place.

Tribal cultures have never had cops. They weren't needed in the first place because they didn't deal with crime. The word "crime" wasn't even in their vocabularies...at least until we showed up.

I know, I know. It's really hard for most people to understand such an amazingly simple fact...that crime is a relatively NEW phenomonon.

The fact is, crime isn't a part of "human nature" at all. Crime is a side effect of overcrowding, of the loss of cultural identity, of the loss of tribal laws. Laws handed down from generation to generation. Laws that worked for THAT tribe and no other. Laws that were as much a part of a Tribe as their language, their way of life, their identity, their customs and rituals.

Not written laws like we have now. Hammarabi! Whatever.
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#269011 - 07/10/03 12:30 PM Re: A really hard day
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Quote:
Originally posted by Spudly Puddle Butt:
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Originally posted by Narniacat:
people need to learn to shoot to wound and disable not to kill. mc5 do you lern to shoot to wound or to kill? any other policemen here to explain their training methods?
it has been my understanding, that if cops shoot, they shoot to kill...being that just wounding someone is too much of a legal liability for the officer.

t'is sad imho.

-sean
In cases where there is a percieved danger of a suspected gunman (gunperson?) being armed and in a public place and not in an 'open' situation then the police will shoot to kill. Where a gunperson is farting about in a public area attempting 'suicide by cop' they will employ sharp shooters to shoot the weapon out of the perps hand (I've seen it done and it works).

The difference is that your everyday cop is not a sharpshooter and is probably as scared as anyone else would be. The increasing number of gun related crimes being reported have an effect on us all. I guess you would have to talk to the individual officers to find out why they did what they did. With things like Columbine and the recently thwarted Matrix shootings becoming more prevalent I guess the shoot first, shit yourself later ethos is gonna prevail.

By the way, this is not an illustrative excuse, just a postulated reason.
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#269012 - 07/10/03 04:43 PM Re: A really hard day
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My boyfriend is a security guard and has done training and can carry a gun now. He's also going into criminal justice (though doesn't want to be a cop) and I've heard him say that if a situation gets to the point where a cop needs to fire his weapon then they have to shoot to kill. I don't know all the details or anything, so I may not be completely correct, but that's what I've heard him say.

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#269013 - 07/10/03 06:29 PM Re: A really hard day
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Debate about the cops aside, I'm sorry to hear about your friends.
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