I think that statement is nuts.

Bestiality is actually legal in Florida.

Dude, I just.....
*sigh*

Whatever floats your boat. I don't agree with it, but then again, keeping it in the family was the way many royal lines were created and thats how animal breeding works to a point, so hey....whatever.

I do agree with not having kids, but it should be a choice left to the people. If this is their groove and they are tested for genetic markers and get the green light, then let them...although it makes for a strange family reunion and I wouldn't want to explain that to my kids that their mom is also their aunt and possibly cousin too.

Which statement is nuts?

"Personally, I think everyone has the choice of who they love and have sex with." ?

Dude, it's gross. It's not about being close minded, and I'm not getting my hate on-

Whatever. It's GROSS.

Ok Phal...consider this scenario. You and PDBsg. Your together, you have moved in with each other. What would you do if you found out you were brother and sister?
Im not saying I dont agree with you. It *is* gross. But in my opinion, it's the same thing as same sex marriage. Every human has the right to love another human being, it doesn't matter *who* they are.

Exactly. There are plenty of cases of people marrying and having long intimate relationships only to find out later on that they are long lost "insert relation here"s.

I don't agree with it, but people don't agree with same sex relationships or interracial relationships. It isn't my place to say who can love...or boink...who.

This reminds me of this pic:

*points at the cartoon* Thats some funny shyte!!!!
Hey incest is best, why go across the street when you can go across the hall? j/k!!!!!

I don't personally agree with it, but who are we to say what someone else can and cannot do? Now if it was like "They grew up together, started knockin boots as teens and said f'it lets just make this our thing" that'd be creepy... but considering he was raised by different people, then they met, fell, and there ya go "Oh btw, hommie... She's yer baby sis!" thats weird, but hey, its their thing... Just like two chicks or two guys...

As my mom sometimes says (jokingly of course!) "Incest is best, but relatively boring."

It said they didn't find each other until they were teens. I think it's fine, except the kids...Why is it so gross? It's not like they grew up together. I'm an only child, so maybe I don't understand fully. I don't think it should be illegal, except maybe having kids...weird.

Many rude thoughts come to mind, but I silence them.

Incest cultivates negative traits. Now, if you are intent on boinking your brother or father, at least have the decency to have your tubes tied.

My thoughts exactly. I don't see how a law could be passed that tells you what you can do in private, if it has no effect whatsoever on anyone else but yourselves. BUT if you are going to bring kids in to this world, that's a whole other ball game. Because your relationship has an effect on the kids you are creating.

Melmo, have you been the victim of a non-consensual incestuous relationship?

It's a rude question, and I apologize for that. If you've been raped by a family member, though, it changes the entire tone of the conversation.

I have.

woah ... Karly ...

I don't quite know what to say now.

No PDBsg...I have not. I just believe that everyone has a right to love who they want. You cannot control who you are attracted to. In cases of lets say, father/daughter though, I believe that's wrong unless the daughter is an adult. Seriously I may sound totally disgusting, and I think it's all gross, but it's none of our business who people have sex with. It does not affect me, so I don't care.

Love does not require sex. Yes, I am strongly in favor of more love in the world.

It's awesome when family members love each other, and any parent worthy of the name had best love their child.

The genetic consequences of inbreeding aside, the unfortunate truth is that most instances of incest are non-consensual. It's not a philosophical argument, all too many of my female friends growing up were victims of familial rape. The random occurrence of incestuous relations between two consenting adults is, I think, rare. Child rape, conversely, is entirely too common. That, basically, is what I hear when you say "incest": child rape. And, that is a foul thing which scars a soul. In my mind, that is one of the few things which are truly unforgivable.

PM-ing you, Karly.

Im sorry I didnt clarify, but what I am talking about is a marriage/relationship between two consenting adults. For example the brother/sister in the video. I firmly believe they should be allowed to be together. I find it ridiculous that he spent 2 years in prison for loving his sister more than the law thinks he should.

All I know is... I've had some pretty hot cousins....

personally i dont get the love part much in the same way i dont understand bestiality, or being hetrosexual. I understand the sex part. People are into crazy shiz. I have to admit i find it quite hot seeing two brothers going at it in homoporn. i wouldnt consider it with my family, but hell, as long as everyone is happy and consenting, go for it.

In regards to the children...well... assuming its a hetti thing going on, yes, there may be a chance of the kids being farked up but at the end of the day, theres always that chance. If drugged up murder fanatics are allowed to have kids whenever they please just because they aren't related, then its only fair that incestuous people should have the same priveledge. I feel the same on gay adoption as it so happens. There are a tonne of parents out there and untill we can root out the farkwits, its only fair that people who will love their kids are allowed to have them...even if society thinks they are oddballs.

Btw, im knackered as hell so i dont expect any of what i just typed to make sense.

All I thought of was Hollyoaks

Rhys meets Beth. They fall in love. They sleep together. They discover they share the same father. They deny their relationship. Beth goes out with Gilly (Rhys' best friend) but Rhys and Beth still love eachother.

They get outted as still sleeping together, Beth and Gilly are ENGAGED.

Rhys ends up not going to prison but is attacked constantly (verbally) throughout next load of episodes.

I also went STRAIGHT back to my psychology classes on the Oedipus and Electra complex theories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex).

My opinion on it is rather hypocritical and I cannot justify it.
Shall I post it anyways? I feel odd posting something which is so... basically childish, lol.

tis the nature of discussion, let us know what you think

First off, Ryan your post made excellent sense and is one of the points I was thinking of. Good boy Have a rainbow coloured lolly.

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I am against it. Outright against it. It irks me. It freaks me out. I do not inderstand it.

I am all for loving who you want though, man-man, girl-girl, man-girl, it's all good! We should be allowed to love who we want (not interspecies though, beasitality also freaks me the fark out)(That's also where I find myself being hypocritical).

But for some reason I cannot find myself agreeing with father-daughter. At all.

The whole situation which was shown on Hollyoaks I can kinda sympathise with to some extent... I once pointed a boy out that I thought was hot, to be told he was my cousin. Only as soon as I found out we were related I was grossed out and just went off him >.< Lol.

But yeah, hou love a boy of your own age, only to find out he's your brother?! It's a horrible situation, but I don't see how they could be punished for it... that I don't agree with, punishing someone for falling in love THEN finding they were related? How did they do anything wrong :s

And if you're gonna stop them having kids incase they're deformed/ill/have inbread conditions, then are you gonna prevent people with a recessive gene for say, Cystic Fibrosis (popped into head because a friend of mine suffers from it) from from having kids too? What about if you found out your kid had a 50% chance of being born with a cleft pallet... would you terminate the pregnancy?

I dunno, the idea of preventing someone from having a kid because it *might* not be perfect makes me rather angry.

And as Ryan says, untill all the twits who are younger parents are weeded out then who are we to say who cannot reproduce?

(Not saying all younger parents are twits, just saying there are a LOT of them around here.)

Sleep now

I beleive that incest is wrong. End of. I do agree that people should be allowed to love whomever they wish but they should not be allowed to have relationships (non/consenting) with biological family members.

I thought that too Karly... But I think she just meant with 2 people who later discover they are related, that situation in particular in no way affects her and so why should she dislike THEM because of it.

But I can see how it would be misconstrued (excuse spelling and typing, it's 2am).

Obviously it'd be a different opinion if one of the people did not consent, I'm sure Mel would certainly feel differently then.

I still agree though... Incest (when you've known all along) is disgusting and sick. Couldn't tell ya why I think that though. I just do.

oh and on the whole finding out later thing, i find it rediculous to chastise someone for that. for a start the odds of it happening are crazily low. secondly the love that was formed was originally based not on the fact that they were brother and sister but that they just loved this person they met. You cant seriously say that if you were told tomorrow your partner whom you have loved/ had a relationship for however many years was related to you that you would stop loving them. If you did, you really have no idea of what love is.

I also find that people seem to look past incest when twins are involved. Nowt like a hot set of twins to get ya going. oddly enough, i find parent-child incest creepy, brother-sister/brother-brother/sister-sister/cousin brother sister i find more acceptable. just out of randomosity.

If none of cared about instances that did not affect us, the world would be a sad place indeed.

I point to the recent incident where a 78 year old man was hit by two vehicles and lay in the street while cars swerved around him...

So let me get this straight- if it does not affect you, then it is ok to ignore it?

Phal I saw that on the news and it made me sick. I can not beleive people just let that man lie there. I would have run up to him to help. Not only because I care about people but because I am first aid and CPR certified.

I think incest is wrong. it should not be allowed and the thought of it just makes me sick.

What I mean by "it does not affect me" is, that it does not affect anyone except the two people involved. It does not harm anyone at all except possibly those two. So why should we care about what kind of relationship they have if it's not hurting anyone?

Because it is just wrong. A brother and a sister SHOULD NOT have sex (or other members of the family) They are blood related and it will end up hurting others around them. What about the parents if they found out the brother and sister are boinking? What will it do to that family? It will tear them apart. And you can say they should not have kids, but what would stop them? Sorry I will just never agree to it.