I went and got this done last night. I thouhgt it hurt much more then my tragus did. But it was more of a prolonged pain as they pushed the needle though. It was the first time the piercer had done this piercing so my right ear isn't perfect but thats ok. My left ear is good except that if i pick the blood clot off my ears starts bleeding pretty bad. but i don't really notice that they are there. Definitly a nice piercing though if you can take a little pain.