Well... What can I say. This was my 10th peircing done, and it was a crazy thing to do. I wanted this done for a while now and I just did it! I did it over this summer and with a fellow camp counselor out in Muskegon at 1:00 a.m I bought the 4g needle and spread the word to the camp that it was going down at 1 am well at 12:50 am there was 50 people there with cameras and video watching it happen... so at 1 am on the dot Mike pushed the 4g needle through my Cardilege... its been about 1.5 months now and its feeling allright got a bump on the back and its crusty alot.. I have a captive bead in right now but planning on putting in a plug again.. i have pix in the pic section.. And if you e-mail me i have the Video of it being done.. Yes i am screaming but i shouldnt have it didnt really hurt i just screamed to help ease the pain... I felt like an ass when i was done because it was like nothing. I have had Pimples on my back hurt worse. Well fellow body moders... TAKE CARE STAY SIC